In this Sept. 2009 interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, President Obama argues over and over and over that the individual mandate penalty was NOT a tax. He says it flatly and repeatedly. Then the admin. does a 180 and argued in court that is actually IS a tax. Now John Roberts and the 4 liberal Justices on the Supreme Court have decided that the law can stand because it IS a tax. We have been lied to - flatly and repeatedly.