tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708139263643046536.post7918515370570533913..comments2024-03-28T14:59:42.168-04:00Comments on Kresta In The Afternoon: Our Imperial President Promises Christians: “I Won’t Make You Marry Gays”… Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708139263643046536.post-75387332177969975502013-06-28T10:12:02.908-04:002013-06-28T10:12:02.908-04:00I want to clarify that my response at 12:55 was in...I want to clarify that my response at 12:55 was in response to the Anon at 12:26. It would really help if people would post under some kind of identity other than "Anonymous."Nerinahttp://www.cleansingfiredor.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708139263643046536.post-51147071246834923092013-06-27T14:28:53.736-04:002013-06-27T14:28:53.736-04:00In my life experience romantic love (and for me, m...In my life experience romantic love (and for me, my children) have been the greatest blessings I have known. I think the love of another person is a deep human need in this harsh and often lonely world, and I can't see any benefit (or "Good") either for individuals or society from asking gays to be celibate. I actually have a gay friend who has never been involved with anyone and it makes me sad to think how lonely he's been (once he broke into tears at my dining room table in front of guests, confessing to needing someone to sit beside him in the empty chair, it was all very painful for everyone to witness, esp. for me as I have a lovely family and he has no one.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708139263643046536.post-39014272328957526792013-06-27T14:13:07.070-04:002013-06-27T14:13:07.070-04:00Anonymous, Your 1:00 comments you said you don'...Anonymous, Your 1:00 comments you said you don't believe that celibacy is at all healthy.....Why is that????? or realistic? why would you say that? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708139263643046536.post-36244658085095136662013-06-27T13:30:55.935-04:002013-06-27T13:30:55.935-04:00Also, what to make of the rapping priest? Sanctimo...Also, what to make of the rapping priest? Sanctimonious faker. Where are the real men who used to become priests and were masculine and even macho? This guy would be laughed out of school or beaten up on the playground. Not questioning his motives. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708139263643046536.post-65279325292567307642013-06-27T13:09:50.993-04:002013-06-27T13:09:50.993-04:00Catholics are counter-cultural, and shouldn't ...Catholics are counter-cultural, and shouldn't expect to win these arguments in a democracy. Old-fashioned, yes. Bigoted, no. But times are changing. Most Catholics support gay marriage. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708139263643046536.post-86000860939781708952013-06-27T13:00:36.760-04:002013-06-27T13:00:36.760-04:00Catholics have a voice in the public square. Look ...Catholics have a voice in the public square. Look at the growing strength of the anti-abortion movement. But on this issue the public and the law is moving in an anti-Catholic direction. I don't see the problem. Gays are what, 4 percent of the population, maybe less. No one will care in the future if they marry or not. This is not something to be hysterical about. To be honest, if I had a gay kid, I would want him to marry and be faithful rather than taking risks having sex in bathhouses. I don't believe celibacy is at all healthy or realistic, at least for most people. So marriage for gays is not really a bad thing and it's probably a good solution for this small minority of people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708139263643046536.post-67102735419559618782013-06-27T12:55:44.193-04:002013-06-27T12:55:44.193-04:00So, what is your point? Catholics should just shu...So, what is your point? Catholics should just shut up? Not say anything about any issue? I suppose we can continue to minister to those in need, educate (well, maybe that won't go on much longer) and care for every 1/8 person who finds himself in a catholic hospital. But basically, just keep our bigoted, old-fashioned, antiquated, no-fun views to ourselves? Is that the idea? In case you haven't notice, those countries that have abandoned their Christian roots aren't faring too well.Nerinahttp://www.cleansingfiredor.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708139263643046536.post-8788774394376204002013-06-27T12:51:53.421-04:002013-06-27T12:51:53.421-04:00Anon, I say "wake up!" Steve is complet...Anon, I say "wake up!" Steve is completely right and how any person with eyes to see remains blind to our cultural shifts is beyond me. I would hardly call David Brooks some stalwart conservative (I believe he endorsed Obama in 2008 conceding "he could be a great president." Please.) You are correct that the Catholic world view and America's founding are sometimes at odds. I agree. However, our country has previously stood for everyone having a voice in the public square. This is no longer the case since the majority of SCOTUS has pronounced any objections to so-called "gay marriage" to be rooted in animus and hatred. Tell me, exactly, why Christians shouldn't be concerned?Nerinahttp://www.cleansingfiredor.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708139263643046536.post-90580348422087828312013-06-27T12:26:40.425-04:002013-06-27T12:26:40.425-04:00Look, the Catholic point of view is a minority poi...Look, the Catholic point of view is a minority point of view in America and in the "West" now and it can't be expected to prevail under law in a democracy. Accept that, and you won't feel bad about losing debate over the meaning of marriage. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708139263643046536.post-87432885550700692822013-06-27T12:00:15.012-04:002013-06-27T12:00:15.012-04:00Yes. I am completely understanding of the bitter t...Yes. I am completely understanding of the bitter tone. Yesterday was quite depressing. America is running gleefully into the pit of destruction, and doesn't even know. Didn't we just hear about the broad gate and the wide, downhill road leading to it in our Gospel readings this week? And yet, we must take heart, have courage, redouble our efforts, simply because we love the Lord, and He wants to save His people. With Him, it is never too late. May God bless our efforts, however small and seemingly inconsequential. He is with us. He has conquered the world in which we have trouble. Take heart.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708139263643046536.post-35174319119657274722013-06-27T11:41:44.497-04:002013-06-27T11:41:44.497-04:00Please calm down. America is not diving headlong i...Please calm down. America is not diving headlong into some sort of moral abyss from which all goodness is excluded. David Brooks, a noted conservative, sees gay marriage as conservatizing. That's certainly a reasonable possibility. Let's remember that America is founded on liberal principles of rights, equality, and self-ownership (John Locke, Second Treatise of Gov't), a view quite at odds with the Biblical view of man (read Mary Ann Glendon,"Rights Talk"on this). There has always been a tension between these concepts of personhood, it's part of the nation's constitutionalism, a built in tension that all must live with. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com