tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708139263643046536.post391270540557589859..comments2024-03-28T14:59:42.168-04:00Comments on Kresta In The Afternoon: Knights of Columbus won't expel pro-abortion politiciansUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708139263643046536.post-19995015897456141262010-06-09T22:58:13.887-04:002010-06-09T22:58:13.887-04:00AS a Past Grand Knight, I can assure you that the ...AS a Past Grand Knight, I can assure you that the KofC's policies concerning membership have not changed. <br /><br />AGAIN: In the past, the KofC has removed public figures from membership - but ONLY after their bishop made the request - and it was done by the HQ's.<br /><br />What is NOT ALLOWED is for the LOCAL COUNCIL to kick someone out of the Order based on THEIR judgements about one's Catholicism.<br /><br />It would be somewhat equivelant to letting the ushers of the Church decide who is "Catholic enough" to sit in the pew and who isn't. <br /><br />LEAVE THOSE DECISIONS TO THE CHURCH AND ITS SHEPHERDS!Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708139263643046536.post-34011753372652223942010-05-25T12:21:21.738-04:002010-05-25T12:21:21.738-04:00As a current Grand Knight, I have a few points I w...As a current Grand Knight, I have a few points I would like to make... <br /><br />First, it is important to note that this policy change applies to Public Officials. Joe was gratious enought to post an excerpt of Grand Knights Handbook. The policy for the longest time has been that the Chaplin and the Pastor have the final say so the "practicalness" matter. Now it appears that Supreme has REMOVED THAT OPTION option from the local council and ensured that bureaucracy will insulate these men who have chosen public office to defy Church teaching. While the policy has the appearance of and is being spun as fairness, it is really the opposite. Dissenters can feel emboldened, in the vaccum of most Bishops' voices, and speak with more impunity about their justifications for dissent than ever before. <br /><br />Second, the KofC is full of men who were admitted over the last 40 years while the Church laxed its emphasis and authority on moral teaching. I don't mean that the Churches teachings changed, but that due to the lack of consistant discipline and firm reinforcement by the Bishops and priests of the full Magisterium of the Church, many have come to embrace the ideas of the Winnipeg Statement. Liberal parishes are full of well intentioned men and women who are quick to return the slogans of "personal conscience" when it comes to discenting to their customized theology. I have also hear many say that the "enforcement thing" is the Church of the past. The Bishops want everyone to get along and follow their own concsience in this regard. These are foundations of many of the men I meet in KofC circles. I still believe the majority of the KofC are true practical Catholics, however, to refer to the others as a small minority is hiding from the Truth. One just has to read the novel "Fatherless" to see how this has become the norm. While the novel is fiction, it accuately portrays the scenerio of the failure of the Church to keep her own safe. <br /><br />I am saddened by this announcement and still need to comtemplate in prayer my response - if any. My hope is that the truely faithful, practical Catholic Gentlemen of the Knight of Columbus will rise up and demand the order live up to its Founders goals - to protect the Widows (Motherless) and orphans (Childless).Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708139263643046536.post-65844443302779549542010-05-24T23:24:23.629-04:002010-05-24T23:24:23.629-04:00Rob,
You are asked once again to actually put som...Rob, <br />You are asked once again to actually put some positive agenda on the table. What do you support? Who do you support?<br /><br />It sounds like you're frozen in the 1980s just after the American bishops published pastoral letters on the economy and war & peace. I suppose you would have the same harsh things to say about Catholics like Judge Clark and William Simon, heck, let me really wave the red flag...Michael Novak (who I also consider a godly influence in this world.)<br /><br />If you don't like the older economic/moral analysis of The Spirit of Democratic Capitalism (1982), then try the gentle apologetics of No One Sees God: The Dark Night of Atheists and Believers (2008).Kresta In The Afternoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11930247819667501826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708139263643046536.post-30126695985344295042010-05-24T23:16:11.546-04:002010-05-24T23:16:11.546-04:00A few pointed but necessary questions if this stor...A few pointed but necessary questions if this story is to become a non-story (which it may.)<br /><br />Is anybody surprised that the Knights tolerate a wide range of opinions among their membership?<br /><br />Does anybody expect that the Knights will expel such members?<br /><br />Does anybody think this would be a good thing, i.e., that it would serve and strengthen the Knights of Columbus' reason for existence?<br /><br />Does anybody think that the Knights are actually strengthened for not tighening the screws. The wheat will grow up with the tares.<br /><br />If the Knights plan to make a move, why haven't they done so yet? This is hardly a new issue.<br /><br />Carl Anderson's book A Civlization of Love needs to be read with Archbishop Chaput's Render Unto Caesar and Cardinal George's The Difference God Makes.Kresta In The Afternoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11930247819667501826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708139263643046536.post-38532608221304016572010-05-24T20:07:05.727-04:002010-05-24T20:07:05.727-04:00The Reagan admin. was the first Republican admin. ...The Reagan admin. was the first Republican admin. to form a coalition with the 'Religious Right'. That coalition wasnt perfect and became better with successive Republican presidents. So far, the best has been Bush the younger. So I dont get the point of the crazy mad man Rob, who deserves censorship for making me write this tit-for-tat stuff, belaugering someone for establishing/working with a new alliance within the Republican party without acknowledging the fledging newness and somewhat outsider status that the new coalition found with some/many of Reagans handlers, but not with Reagan himself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708139263643046536.post-32761746516185212922010-05-24T18:22:23.221-04:002010-05-24T18:22:23.221-04:00Oh my, Anonymous...
If you're going to cast s...Oh my, Anonymous...<br /><br />If you're going to cast stones at someone who worked in the same building with Meese, then perhaps you have more targets closer to home than you think. <br /><br />Didn't Ave Maria law school just have Ed Meese as one of their great honorary guests for the 1 year anniversary of moving? <br /><br />Yes! <br /><br />In fact, just last month ago, they hosted him as part of their "A conversation with..." program of VIP speakers. http://www.avemarialaw.edu/index.cfm?event=events.invitation<br /><br />Besides, "working with" is different than "being responsible for everything that came out of" ...Abbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708139263643046536.post-51816106472893210852010-05-24T14:44:55.040-04:002010-05-24T14:44:55.040-04:00Thank you Katherine! I'm amazed at how so many...Thank you Katherine! I'm amazed at how so many Catholics are so ready and willing to throw the KofC under the bus - especially when they have done more to advance the pro-life movement than any other organization.<br /><br />FROM THE GRAND KNIGHT'S HANDBOOK:<br /><br />"Whether or not an applicant is a practical Catholic is for the Church to decide. Therefore, it is expected that before a written report is filed, the [admission] committee will have discussed the situation with the chaplain of the council or the applicant's pastor and will be bound by the decision of either."<br /><br />The problem lies with the members who become "dissidents" after they join.<br /><br />Personally, to have the leaders at the local level decide "who is a good Catholic and who is not..." is asking for trouble. Although it may seem like a "dodging the issue" tactic, it is actually a very PRACTICAL WAY of keeping the local guys from stepping on themselves.<br /><br />AGAIN: WHETHER OR NOT AN APPLICANT IS A PRACTICAL CATHOLIC IS FOR THE CHURCH TO DECIDE.<br /><br />In the past the KofC has removed public figures from membership - but ONLY after their bishop made the request - and it was done by the HQ's.<br /><br />PLEASE WATCH THIS VIDEO BEFORE YOU CAST ANY MORE STONES AT THE K OF C.<br /><br />http://www.kofc.org/eb/common/video/ev2.html?id=life2_640360434&w=400&h=225&t=0&l=en&bgC=0xffffff&ap=n<br /><br />"Without the contributions of the Knights... The pro-life movement would not look anything like it looks today."Joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708139263643046536.post-38986124195193360282010-05-24T11:25:57.786-04:002010-05-24T11:25:57.786-04:00I have to chuckle as you lift up Carl Andersen as ...I have to chuckle as you lift up Carl Andersen as a person who radiates godly love.Carl andersen was deeply invoved in the Ed Meese Ronald Reagan era that dangled the pro-life cause in front of conservative catholics.At the same time they carried out many activities contradicatory to catholic social teaching.Andersen is another sad promoter and protecter of immoral invasions and torture.Conservative catholics don't want to hear this,and believe at face value that he is pro-life.A culture of life,which al kresta promotes,written by andersen,applies only to the american unborn.People in third world countries,where andersen's boss,Ed Meese carried out anti-christian activites might not agree that he is a promoter of godly love...robAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7708139263643046536.post-27984275273726259682010-05-24T10:00:37.513-04:002010-05-24T10:00:37.513-04:00The title is incorrect --
The letter does NOT sa...The title is incorrect -- <br /><br />The letter does NOT say it won't expell such members. <br /><br />It simply sets up a procedure to do it most effectively and charitably.Katherinenoreply@blogger.com